Comments on: King & King http://abolitionofman.com/2007/10/01/king-king/ A Defense of the West Mon, 08 Nov 2010 20:15:35 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1 By: Anon http://abolitionofman.com/2007/10/01/king-king/comment-page-1/#comment-180 Anon Tue, 13 Nov 2007 00:32:31 +0000 http://abolitionofman.com/2007/10/01/king-king/#comment-180 This does not seem to be a rationale argument to me. That something has served Western civilization well does not mean there shouldn’t be progress. To me, the argument comes back to equal rights and personal freedom. I am strongly for both of those concepts. So while I am personally a bit homophobic and anti-gay, it seems wrong to prevent people from having the same rights as the rest of us. The argument that marriage has been around for thousands of years and served us well is absurd. Not flying served us well for thousands of years. Do you agree with changing mass from being said in Latin? Do you agree in the ban of contraception? Two things with two thousand year histories – shouldn’t some things change? How about slavery? – that predates the written word and lasted to medieval times (and began again in the renaissance) – obviously it was a cornerstone to many flourishing western civilizations. Marriage is an atom of our civilization. How about divorce? – that was illegal in Ireland until 1995! Why allow divorce – if marriage is so fundamental to our society? Why allow chapels in Las Vegas? Why not have a long holding period and exams and qualifications if the institution is so important? The divorce rate is 45% - is that the atom of our society’s problems? I thought you were a defender of the West and a challenge to our self-loathing. Is this progress a mistake? I would love my children to only go to school with other children of nuclear families with married (for the first time) parents. I certainly think there is some impact of the divorced, separated, single parent, non-gay families etc. on our “ideal” children and I’m sure it’s not good. Do you think the “promotion” of “non-ideal” non-nuclear families has a negative impact on children? Perhaps we could have different schools for the ideals and for the non-ideals. Do we current promote the traditional nuclear non-divorce family and tainted non-ideal family equally? I don’t plan on promoting the homosexual lifestyle to my children anymore than I would promote the couple that got divorced or had a single parent raising a child but I also won’t be pointing a finger as detriments to our society. There is also a rights issue entangled with the ideal institution. I hadn’t really thought much about this issue until this last weekend. I happen to attend a dinner with a gay couple I had met previously. They’ve been together for 9 years in a committed relationship and have lived together for 8. One is foreign born. He can’t get a visa so he needs to move back to the UK for a year and will need to find a new job and live thousands of miles from his partner. Of course, as homosexuals, they can’t marry and thus can’t qualify for a green card that way. Why should they be deprived of this right, while I could meet a girl today, marry her tomorrow and help her get naturalized even if we divorce in 4 years? This does not seem to be a rationale argument to me. That something has served Western civilization well does not mean there shouldn’t be progress. To me, the argument comes back to equal rights and personal freedom. I am strongly for both of those concepts. So while I am personally a bit homophobic and anti-gay, it seems wrong to prevent people from having the same rights as the rest of us.

The argument that marriage has been around for thousands of years and served us well is absurd. Not flying served us well for thousands of years. Do you agree with changing mass from being said in Latin? Do you agree in the ban of contraception? Two things with two thousand year histories – shouldn’t some things change? How about slavery? – that predates the written word and lasted to medieval times (and began again in the renaissance) – obviously it was a cornerstone to many flourishing western civilizations.

Marriage is an atom of our civilization. How about divorce? – that was illegal in Ireland until 1995! Why allow divorce – if marriage is so fundamental to our society? Why allow chapels in Las Vegas? Why not have a long holding period and exams and qualifications if the institution is so important? The divorce rate is 45% – is that the atom of our society’s problems?

I thought you were a defender of the West and a challenge to our self-loathing. Is this progress a mistake?

I would love my children to only go to school with other children of nuclear families with married (for the first time) parents. I certainly think there is some impact of the divorced, separated, single parent, non-gay families etc. on our “ideal” children and I’m sure it’s not good. Do you think the “promotion” of “non-ideal” non-nuclear families has a negative impact on children? Perhaps we could have different schools for the ideals and for the non-ideals.

Do we current promote the traditional nuclear non-divorce family and tainted non-ideal family equally? I don’t plan on promoting the homosexual lifestyle to my children anymore than I would promote the couple that got divorced or had a single parent raising a child but I also won’t be pointing a finger as detriments to our society.

There is also a rights issue entangled with the ideal institution. I hadn’t really thought much about this issue until this last weekend. I happen to attend a dinner with a gay couple I had met previously. They’ve been together for 9 years in a committed relationship and have lived together for 8. One is foreign born. He can’t get a visa so he needs to move back to the UK for a year and will need to find a new job and live thousands of miles from his partner. Of course, as homosexuals, they can’t marry and thus can’t qualify for a green card that way. Why should they be deprived of this right, while I could meet a girl today, marry her tomorrow and help her get naturalized even if we divorce in 4 years?

]]> By: Be a Good Daughter http://abolitionofman.com/2007/10/01/king-king/comment-page-1/#comment-174 Be a Good Daughter Mon, 05 Nov 2007 08:08:12 +0000 http://abolitionofman.com/2007/10/01/king-king/#comment-174 Cool post. I think you will link to our page.. Bye Cool post.
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]]> By: M. Ahmadinejad http://abolitionofman.com/2007/10/01/king-king/comment-page-1/#comment-140 M. Ahmadinejad Wed, 03 Oct 2007 02:24:29 +0000 http://abolitionofman.com/2007/10/01/king-king/#comment-140 We don't have homosexuals like in your country. We don't have that in our country. In Iran we do not have this phenomenon. We don’t have homosexuals like in your country. We don’t have that in our country. In Iran we do not have this phenomenon.

]]> By: DaveD http://abolitionofman.com/2007/10/01/king-king/comment-page-1/#comment-139 DaveD Tue, 02 Oct 2007 15:04:17 +0000 http://abolitionofman.com/2007/10/01/king-king/#comment-139 Reticulator...I believe I know why there is a push now; until very recently homosexuals were unable to have families, it was simply scientifically impossible. Now it is quite possible, and quite prevalent in the homosexual community. Marriages, after all, raison d'etre is to raise children, so historically there was no pressing underlying reason for homosexuals to seek to change the institution. Reticulator…I believe I know why there is a push now; until very recently homosexuals were unable to have families, it was simply scientifically impossible. Now it is quite possible, and quite prevalent in the homosexual community. Marriages, after all, raison d’etre is to raise children, so historically there was no pressing underlying reason for homosexuals to seek to change the institution.

]]> By: Bernie Dvorak http://abolitionofman.com/2007/10/01/king-king/comment-page-1/#comment-138 Bernie Dvorak Tue, 02 Oct 2007 14:49:41 +0000 http://abolitionofman.com/2007/10/01/king-king/#comment-138 <p>Dave,</p> <p>That teacher should be fired immediately!</p> Dave,

That teacher should be fired immediately!

]]> By: The Reticulator http://abolitionofman.com/2007/10/01/king-king/comment-page-1/#comment-137 The Reticulator Tue, 02 Oct 2007 06:22:20 +0000 http://abolitionofman.com/2007/10/01/king-king/#comment-137 I have asked a question about this many times which has yet to get any kind of an answer (and I usually ask it where thoughtful homosexual people are present): Why is it that although homosexuality has existed for many centuries, and in some cultures it has even been more or less accepted, it is only recently that there has been a push for homosexual marriage? In my limited reading on it, I see where homosexuality has usually been hostile to marriage if it has had any opinion on it at all. But why this big push in recent years, and never before that? I have asked a question about this many times which has yet to get any kind of an answer (and I usually ask it where thoughtful homosexual people are present): Why is it that although homosexuality has existed for many centuries, and in some cultures it has even been more or less accepted, it is only recently that there has been a push for homosexual marriage? In my limited reading on it, I see where homosexuality has usually been hostile to marriage if it has had any opinion on it at all.

But why this big push in recent years, and never before that?

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